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Mais bon, entre ceux qui crient au racisme en permanence, et ceux (je ne citerais pas nom mais il est doctorant :aie:), qui à l'inverse, réfutent systématiquement tout notion de discrimination raciale, de racisme et de bavure policière, vous allez juste aboutir à une discussion de sourd qui n'a rien à voir avec le sujet initial de la news...
Je n'ai jamais réfuté "systématiquement toute notion" de bavure policière, de discrimination raciale ou de racisme.
Je dit juste dit que la réalité est souvent bien plus complexe que ce qui nous est rapporté, qu'il faut regarder l'ensemble des éléments afin de pouvoir se faire une idée correcte, et aussi qu'un bon nombre de cas sont, après les faits, plus aussi impressionnant qu'il n'y paraissaient surtout avec les médias qui ont tendance à faire du sensationnalisme. Ce qui ne nie en rien l'existence de bavures ou de racisme.
C'est juste qu'il ne faut pas voir des intentions cachées dès que cela nous arrange (et mettre sous le tapis les circonstances qui nous dérangent), sans avoir de preuves d'une telle intention.
Et pas besoin d'être doctorant pour savoir lire, juste avoir passé le CE2.
Paniquer ou résister pendant une arrestation est dangereux. Faire croire à une population que le risque qu'elle encours est bien plus important qu'en réalité, à lui faire croire qu'en cas d'arrestation, elle va mourir, cela ne l'aide pas à rester calme, ou à coopérer, au contraire même.
Mais bon, tant qu'on peut se draper de vertu, on s'en cogne.
Tiens juste un exemple avec un des liens de Ryu:
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District Attorney Schubert also revealed the mother of Mr Clark's children had filed a domestic violence complaint against him two days prior to his death, and that the 22-year-old had researched suicide websites.
Drugs were found in his system after his death, she said, and these in addition to his "state of despair" could have "affected his judgement".
L'affaire s'est passé de nuit dans une zone très mal éclairée (le smartphone aurait été pris pour un pistolet). Le suspect était en train de passer de jardins en jardins, comme le montre la première vidéo.
Le seconde vidéo de son frère n'aide pas non plus à se faire une bonne image du tué.
Allons alors sur Wikipédia pour voir plus de détails:
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Clark lived in a "tough neighborhood" characterized by tense relations with the Sacramento Police Department
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Stephon had been released from county jail about a month before the shooting [...]
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Clark had a history of convictions for robbery, domestic abuse, and a prostitution-related offense
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A toxicology report also released by police found traces of cocaine, cannabis, and codeine in Clark's system. Codeine and hydrocodone were found in Clark’s urine.
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Clark had a troubled relationship with the mother of his two children, Salena Mohamed Manni, with whom he lived and who was a repeated victim of domestic violence at the hands of Clark.
[11] On March 1, 2018, a neighbor of Manni’s called the police to report that a man had dragged a woman down the hallway of their apartment building and into the apartment where the two lived. The neighbor reported that he saw the man in the apartment straddling the woman while holding her arms to the ground and yelling in her face while a child was crying near them. When officers arrived at Clark and Manni’s apartment, they both denied having argued and having seen no visible injuries or evidence that Manni had been crying, the officers left.
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On March 16, a different neighbor called the police to report on behalf of Manni to report that the two had been arguing and the argument had turned violent. When police arrived at their apartment, Clark was not present but Manni told police that he had struck her four or five times in the face, choked her, and threw her head against the wall. Upon searching the apartment, police officers found a hole in a wall in the apartment with long, dark hairs protruding from it. Officers also reported that the left side of Manni’s face was swollen, particularly around her eye, cheekbone and lip, and she was crying and breathing heavily.
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Clark, on probation from two domestic violence convictions and one conviction of assault with a deadly weapon, evaded police in the days leading up to the shooting, while trying to get ahold of his girlfriend.
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[...] as well as texting Manni that he was going to commit suicide
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Chandler said that when Clark was confronted and ordered to stop and show his hands, Clark fled to the back of the property.
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According to the police, before being shot, Clark turned and held an object that he "extended in front of him" while he moved towards the officers.
[6] The officers said they believed that Clark was pointing a gun at them.
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Body-cam footage shows that after shooting him, the officers continued to yell at him as one shined a flashlight at him and they kept their guns aimed at him. One officer stated in one of the body-cam videos, "He had something in hands, looked like a gun from our perspective." Three minutes after the shooting, a female officer called to him and said "We need to know if you're OK. We need to get you medics, so we can't go over and get you help until we know you don't have a weapon."
[15] They waited five minutes after shooting Clark before approaching and then handcuffing him.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Stephon_Clark
Y'a quand même pas à dire, ça remet quand même bien les choses en perspectives, non ?
Que les policiers aient pu fauter, à la rigueur, cependant tenu des circonstances, leur erreur reste "explicable" (pas forcément pardonnable), et rien ne permet d'attribuer cette mort à une volonté raciste de tuer plus qu'à l'incompétence ou aux circonstances.
Aller le second aussi ? Regardons sur Wikipedia.
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On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Willie McCoy was arrested for kidnapping and human trafficking by San Francisco police; Oakland police subsequently served a search warrant on Willie McCoy's residence, seizing "numerous" firearms.
[6] It is unclear what McCoy's role was in the theft of a .40 caliber semi-automatic handgun he was carrying when he died
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The footage captured an officer saying that McCoy had on his lap a gun with its magazine "half out" such that McCoy would have at most one shot available; although the gun is not visible in the footage.
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McCoy then moved in a manner that was interpreted differently by different parties. [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Willie_McCoy
Là aussi, on ne peut pas dire que les circonstances étaient "tip top", et on ne peut pas imputer une volonté raciste de tuer plus qu'à de l'incompétence couplé aux circonstances.
Ce n'est pas nier que le racisme existe, c'est juste dire que ce n'est pas parce qu'une interprétation vous arrange qu'elle est vraie et qu'il faut en oublier le rasoir d'Hanlon.
Et surtout d'interpréter tous les faits (mais seuls ceux qui nous arrangent) sous un prisme du racisme, et magiquement s'étonner d'aboutir à la conclusion pré-déterminée...
Que la victime ai été blanche, blue, ou rose à poids verts, avec de telle circonstances, le drame aurait très bien pu aussi se produire.
