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Un nouveau Basic dédié au développement web , basé sur la syntaxe de PureBasic. Il est gratuit jusqu'au 31 décembre 2014 pour les utilisateurs de PureBasic ayant une licence.

Hi folks !

We are very happy to officially announce our new product:

SpiderBasic
- A Basic to master the Web -

Why the SpiderBasic name ? Well, spider, web, basic, should I say more ? It's a new programming language available for Windows (more plateforms will follow)
to develop rich web applications (JavaScript/HTML5/WebGL) based on the PureBasic syntax. ? Even if the syntax is close, there is fondamental differences
in the program workflow between PureBasic and SpiderBasic. In JavaScript, there is no blocking operations, all is asynchronous. For example, LoadImage()
will return immediately and you will have to wait for a callback announcing the load is done. So it was not possible to create just a new backend for PureBasic
and run a PureBasic program on the web. That's why we decided to fork PureBasic completely and made a new language to have greater control over the
commandset and command design. You can still write a program which will work in PB and SB, but it will need some care and probably some CompilerIf.

For now, we are targeting major browsers (firefox, chrome, ie and safari) in their lastest versions. In the long run, Android and iOS support could be
added as subsystems to be allow to create native applications or game with SpiderBasic !

SpiderBasic is a new commercial program which will be available for 49 euro with all minor upgrades included. When a major version will be
released a new license will be needed (will happen about every 1 or 2 years, like PureBasic). The website and support forums will be launched when SpiderBasic
will be stable enough to be released.

As a gift for your support, SpiderBasic will be free until 31 dec. 2014 to all registered PureBasic user ! It's available right now on your
online account . Please read below before installing though.

Important: this is an alpha version, so while it can run some programs, it's far from being stable or feature complete. Your comments are welcome
as well as your bug reports.

1) Don't install it in "Program Files" directory or the examples couldn't be run out of the box. The examples needs to be put in a writable directory
as an .html file is created side by side to the SpiderBasic file.

2) Open one example (look in the "Examples" drawer of the SpiderBasic installation folder

3) Press "compile" and it should launch your default web browser and display the program.

Limitations against PureBasic compiler:

- Bitwise operands like '<<', '>>', '^', '!' only works on 32-bit numbers
- Quads are not real 64-bit quads but 53-bit only.
- Float are handled like double (32-bit float doesn't exists)
- Integer type other than 'quad' and 'integer' are subject to slow casting to respect their range
- '?' operator to get the labels address is not supported
- 'Break' doesn't support a level parameter
- No 'Goto'
- No 'Gosub'
- No 'End'

Supported libraries:
2DDrawing
Array
Date
Gadget
Image
Joystick
Keyboard
LinkedList
Map
Math
Menu
Mouse
Runtime
Screen
Sound
Sprite
String
System
ToolBar
Window

Libraries limitations:

2DDrawing:
- Only outlined and standard mode supported for now
- Gradient functions not implemented
- Custom filter not implemented
- DrawingBuffer() not implemented
- DrawText() not implemented
- DrawRotatedText() not implemented
- AlphaBlend() not implemented
- DrawingFont() not implemented
- DrawAlphaImage() not implemented
- FillArea() not implemented
- GrabDrawingImage() not implemented
- TextHeight() not implemented
- TextWidth() not implemented

Date:
- ParseDate() not implemented

Gadget:
- GetGadgetFont() not implemented
- ProgressBar(): no vertical settings, fixed height
- ScrollBar() not implemented
- TreeGadget() not implemented
- MDIGadget() not implemented
- ExplorerGadgets() not implemented
- DateGadget() not implemented
- CalendarGadget() not implemented
- IPAddressGadget() not implemented
- ShortCutGadget() not implemented
- ComboBox has fixed height (font based)
- No Right click support for ImageGadget()
- ResizeGadget() not implemented
- DisableGadget() not implemented
- ListIconGadget() not implemented
- ButtonImageGadget() no pressed image
- Get/SetGadgetItemData() not implemented
- Get/SetGadgetItemColor() not implemented
- SpinGadget() not implemented

Image:
- CatchImage() not implemented
- CopyImage() not implemented
- EncodeImage() not implemented
- GrabImage() not implemented
- ImageDepth() not implemented
- ImageFormat() not implemented
- ResizeImage() not implemented
- SaveImage() not implemented

LinkedList:
- ChangeCurrentElement() not implemented
- CopyList() not implemented
- InsertElement() not implemented
- MergeLists() not implemented
- MoveElement() not implemented
- PopListPosition() not implemented
- PushListPosition() not implemented
- SplitList() not implemented
- SwapElements() not implemented

Map:
- PopMapPosition() not implemented
- PushMapPosition() not implemented

Math:
- RandomData() not implemented
- RandomSeed() not implemented

Menu:
- Image support not implemented

Window:
- No window maximize/minimize buttons
- WindowOutput() not implemented
- Get/SetWindowState() not implemented
- Get/SetWindowColor() not implemented
- PostEvent() not implemented
- DisableWindow() not implemented
- WindowEvent()/WaitWindowEvent() not supported (use BindEvent() instead)
- Add/RemoveKeyboardShortcut()

String:
- StringByteLength() not implemented

ToolBar:
- ToolBarStandardButton() not implemented


Known issues:
- The doc is the one from PureBasic
- The icons and extensions are one from PB as well
- No runtime debugger ("Debug" works and output to browser console)
- Not optimized

Don't hesitate to play with it, publish your small programs (tell us if you want them included in the final package) and report bugs here:

Have fun with SpiderBasic and don't be too harsh with it, it's still in early stage !

The Fantaisie Software Team.

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un exemple de jeu (une petite démo très simple) de ce qu'il est possible de faire

Utilisez la barre espace pour tirer :
http://purebasic.com/spidertest/waponez/

C'est un peu chargé en vaisseaux ennemis

Je peux mettre le code source ici si ça intéresse quelqu'un.

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La version alpha 2 est disponible sur votre compte. Elle comporte des corrections de bogues ,et l'implémentation de nouvelles fonctions (la bibliothèque Gadget notamment est plus complète).

et un nouvel exemple en ligne qui montre les différents gadgets :

http://www.purebasic.com/spidertest/gadgets.html

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Je viens de m'y mettre, et voici mon premier test , c'est juste un petit scrolling dans un cadre délimité (les tuiles sont aléatoires, je n'ai pas pris le temps de construire une jolie map)

http://comtois.developpez.com/spider...Scrolling.html

Utilisez le curseur pour faire défiler la carte.


ça reste fluide chez moi, il est donc possible de se faire un RPG en ligne

Certes , j'en suis loin mais le résultat est encourageant.

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La version alpha 3 est disponible sur votre compte, elle comporte des corrections de bogues, et quelques fonctions supplémentaires.

L'exemple Gadgets.html est à jour pour illustrer les nouvelles commandes :

http://www.purebasic.com/spidertest/gadgets.html

alpha 3 is out ! It does brings a lot of fixes and the following new commands. The incompatibility list has been updated.


- Added: ContainerGadget(), ListIconGadget() and TreeGadget() (See GadgetOverview.pb example for a demo)
- Added UseGadgetList()

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Avec PureBasic on peut ajouter de l'assembleur dans le code.
Avec SpiderBasic on peut ajouter du javaScript dans le code, petit exemple d'un utilisateur allemand 'Danilo' :

Code :

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Procedure DesktopWidth()
    ;
    ; Returns the width of the browser area
    ;
    !var width;
    !require(["dojo/window"], function(win){
    !  width = win.getBox().w;
    !});
    !return width;
EndProcedure
 
Procedure DesktopHeight()
    ;
    ; Returns the height of the browser area
    ;
    !var height;
    !require(["dojo/window"], function(win){
    !  height = win.getBox().h;
    !});
    !return height;
EndProcedure

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Les démos commencent à sortir, voici un petit jeu d'un Canadien

Touche [Entrée] pour commencer la partie
Touche [Espace] pour tirer
et le curseur pour se déplacer.

http://reelmedia.org/spiderbasic/spideroids.html

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zou, encore une démo, un pong

http://reelmedia.org/spiderbasic/spiderpong.html

Barre espace pour démarrer le jeu

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'falsam' (un français) propose d'écrire les fonctions décrites un peu plus haut ainsi :

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Procedure DesktopWidth()
  !return(window.innerWidth);
EndProcedure
 
Procedure DesktopHeight()
  !return(window.innerHeight);
EndProcedure
 
Debug DesktopWidth()
Debug DesktopHeight()

Merci à lui.

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La version alpha 4 est disponible sur votre compte, elle corrige pas mal de bogues et comporte de nouvelles commandes qui devraient vous permettre de commencer à créer des applications qui tiennent la route.

alpha 4 is out ! It does brings a lot of fixes and the following new commands, which should allow to start building some interesting applications !

• Added: XML Library (see Xml.sb)
• Added: Font Library
• Added: #PB_Window_Background and #PB_Window_BorderLess flags for OpenWindow()
• Added: TreeGadget(), nested SplitterGadget()
• Added: DesktopWidth()/DesktopHeight()/DesktopDepth()/DesktopName()/ExamineDesktop(), DesktopMouseX(), DesktopMouseY()
• Added: HTTPRequest() with #PB_HTTP_Get and #PB_HTTP_Post type
• Added: URLEncoder(), URLDecoder()
• Added: ChangeCurrentElement(), CopyList(), InsertElement(), MergeLists(), MoveElement()
• Added: PopListPosition(), PushListPosition(), SplitList(), SwapElements()
• Added: PopMapPosition(), PushMapPosition()
• Added: RandomSeed(), DrawText(), TextWidth(), TextHeight(), DrawingFont()
• Added: SetFrameRate(), CreateSprite(), SpriteOutput()
• Added: SortArray(), SortList(), RandomizeArray(), RandomizeList()
• Added: CopyImage(), ImageDepth(), ResizeImage(), GrabImage(), ImageFormat()
• Added: .sb/.sbi/.sbp/.sbf extension support for the SpiderBasic IDE
• Added: optimization option in compiler window based on Google Closure Compiler (requires java)
• Added: port and optimization options in the IDE (in Compiler Options)
• Added: image support for menu item
• Added: automatic grayed toolbar icon when disabled

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La version Alpha 5 est disponible sur votre compte avec quelques nouveautés importantes.

alpha 5 is out ! Some more improvements and bug fixes

• Added: RegularExpression library
• Added: Import/EndImport support for variables and functions
• Added: "!" full inlined javascript support
• Added: EnableJS/DisableJS to put big javascript blocks in programs
• Added: CallDebugger support for native browser debugger (the FireFox/Chrome debugger needs to be opened first).
• Added: FrameGadget()
• Added: #PB_Compiler_InlineJavascript compiler constant

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Cette version comporte principalement des corrections de bogues, et quelques ajouts :

- Added 'UserData' optional parameter to HttpRequest()
- Added GetGadgetItemText() support to WebGadget() (from same site only)
- Reworked AMD module handling to have a better code isolation
- Bug fixes

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L'équipe SpiderBasic est sur le point de sortir la version 1.0. Mais avant ça , elle aimerait s'assurer qu'il ne manque pas de commandes (fonctions) qui vous semblent indispensables.

Si vous pensez que l'absence de certaines commandes vous bloque dans l'utilisation du logiciel, n'hésitez pas à poster à cette adresse le nom de la commande et ses paramètres avec un petit exemple d'utilisation (décrivant la raison de son importance), afin que l'équipe SpiderBasic puisse en débattre.

Hi there,

We would like to have your input about missing "mandatory" commands for SpiderBasic before releasing a 1.00 version. If you think some commands are really missing and cripple the software, feel free to post the command name and its parameters with a small use case (why it is important to have it), so we can discuss that. So far, a big software is currently being developped by a friend and everything is OK for him (it does look good !) but it's always better to get several inputs.

Thanks !

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Hey! intéressant ce truc
Décidément tout est fait pour que je retourne sous PureBasic

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J'édite mon message pour préciser que j'ai testé sous Firefox et Opera et que ca marche très bien, même le son.
Mention spécial pour Opera, c'est plus fluide. Et aussi pour la démo gadgets (impressionnante cette GUI)

Bon si ça continu, je sens que je vais (re)casser ma tirelire une 2eme fois

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La version alpha 7 est disponible sur votrecompte, et comporte les ajouts suivants :

Alpha 7 is out ! You can check out the new OpenFileRequester.sb example which allows to import local files easily, like image, XML or JSON files.

- Added AllocateStructure/FreeStructure()
- Chnaged the signature of the 'Loaded/Error' callback, the objectId as been added
- Added OpenFileRequester()/NextSelectedFile() and #PB_LocalFile support for LoadImage/XML/JSON()
- New IDE feature like Issue tool and more

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La version v1.00 beta 1 est disponible sur votre compte. Elle intègre le support de linux et OS X. Le jeu de commandes est pratiquement complet pour la version v1.00, aussi n'hésitez pas à tester pour qu'une version stable sorte rapidement.

The beta 1 is out and brings support for OS X and Linux ! The commandset is also pretty complete for the v1.00, so don't hesitate to test and reports issues on the spiderbasic forums (forums.spiderbasic.com)

- Added OS X and Linux support
- Added full JSON support
- ExportImage(), ExportJSON(), ExportXML() to send the specified objects as download to the user

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La beta 2 est disponible sur votre compte. Cette version comporte de nombreuses corrections de bugs, ainsi que la doc complète (uniquement en anglais pour l'instant).

Beta 2 is out ! Don't hesitate to test to see if your reported bugs are gone, and if the doc is accurate enough (english only for now). It is still in progress, but it's starting to be a bit better on daily use

- Full english doc
- Added ParseXML()
- Many bug fixes

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L'équipe PureBasic est en train de mettre en place le nouveau site dédié à SpiderBasic. Si vous souhaitez participer à la page "'showcase" du site, envoyez votre application à Fred (avec le code source et les datas nécessaire) ainsi qu'un lien et votre nom.

Hi there,

We are working on the new SpiderBasic website, and it does look good. We want to add a new "showcase" section, so we can embed SpiderBasic apps or examples, so it can be tested directly from the website. If you want to help with this section, just send us your example (including source code and data) ready to go to the server and we will put it in this section with your name and a link to your products.

Thanks for your help !

The v1.0 is near

Fred

Source de l'information

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Étonnant, un développeur SAP a utilisé un spiderbasic pour afficher des données SAP.

Son post est ici

http://scn.sap.com/community/scripti...ication-server

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Oui je l'avais lu sur le forum de SpiderBasic :
SpiderBasic in the Context of SAP Web Application Server

Comment lire des données depuis SAP avec SpiderBasic :

Read Table Data from SAP with SpiderBasic

Et ici il indique comment réduire les temps de chargement :

Reduce loading time with a compressed library environment